Hispanics Fire at Whites over Illegal Immigration Dispute

Cross posted from Take Back Georgia 

Verbal sparring over citizenship leads to shooting (updated with 911 calls)
by Staff Reports

updated May 15, 2006 3:39 pm

ASHEVILLE – A parting gunshot from a vehicle leaving Waffle House in West Asheville shattered a window and caused a minor injury, police said.

The shooting happened around 3:00 a.m. Saturday after a group of whites argued with a group of Hispanics at the 24-hour restaurant on Smokey Park Highway, Asheville police Lt. Wallace Welch said.

The first 911 call was made around 3:07 a.m. following the shooting at the Waffle House on Smokey Park Highway.

One person was shot at the Waffle House on Smokey Park Hwy on Saturday night. The injured person was disoriented and listed the wrong location when he called 911 at 3:07 a.m.

A final call was made at 3:10 a.m. following the shooting at the Waffle House on Smokey Park Hwy. Saturday morning.

“The two groups were jawing back and forth with each other over citizenship issues and whatnot,” Welch said.

As the Hispanic group drove off, someone in the vehicle fired at least once into a large window near the front door, he said.

Whether from a ricocheted bullet or flying glass, Welch said, one man’s arm was bleeding when police arrived. He declined medical treatment.

Police were looking for a white Dodge Intrepid that left the restaurant going west.

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The Ball’s In The Senate’s Court (and it’s still up to us)

Cross posted from Red Hot Cuppa Politics

There are a couple of things I appreciate about President Bush. First, he always starts his speeches when he's supposed to. Second, he doesn't get windy.

Last night, he used two phrases in the first thirty seconds of the speech which I appreciated. First, he mentioned the massive protests: On the streets of major cities, crowds have rallied in support of those in our country illegally. Second, he finally (sort of) admitted there's a problem at the border: For decades, the United States has not been in complete control of its borders … okay — so the ocean's a little wet, but it's a start.

Anyway, here's what Mr. Bush is willing to do about illegal immigration, outlined in a five point plan:

1) Secure the borders.

Bush plans to send 6000 National Guard troops to the borders. It's not much, it'll consist of a two week rotation for Guard units, and I'm not sure that the Guardsmen will be doing that the MinuteMen aren't already doing, since the Guard's not supposed to be allowed to engage in law enforcement activities — which also skirts Posse Comitatus.

I'm wondering why bother, except it might help acculturate our troops to the heat in Iraq. I hope the two week deployments don't interfere with training our Guardsmen need to cope with deployment to the Middle East.

The committment of troops would last one year, and Bush pointedly said we do not plan to militarize the border. I'm also wondering if this is a response to the MinuteMen's demand that Bush send troops by Memorial Day, or the MinuteMen start building their wall.

He also talked about alot of high tech surveillance gadgets, which you know are going to malfunction in the desert heat, but ohwell, maybe that's just me. Again, geezers with lawnchairs and binoculars are doing the job of multi-million dollar surveillane drones, and they're doing it without taxpayer support.

To the positive, Bush wants to increase funding and provide training to local law enforcement authorities, and hire more Border Patrol agents. That's a good thing — let's also curb State Department interference with deportation, and eliminate the "never-never" land that INS bureaucrats inhabit.

And, Bush said he really wants to end "catch and release." Good. How about instituting "catch and deport." We don't need more detention facilities — just boomerang illegals back across the border.

2) Temporary worker program.

This program would match willing foreign workers with willing American employers for jobs Americans are not doing. Every worker who applies for the program would be required to pass criminal background checks. And temporary workers must return to their home country at the conclusion of their stay.

This can work if the border's sealed, and if there's a type of identification that can't be forged, i.e., biometric ID's. But, they need to go home when the work permit expires, and refrain from inviting their entire extended families over for the duration.

3) Hold American employers accountable:

Two steppin' here. While Bush talked about how hard it is currently to decide who's an illegal employee and who's not — he doesn't mention consequences for American bosses. And, here's where he talks about those biometric ID's, which can't be forged.

4) Path to citizenship for those already here


Bush wants a middle ground between amnesty and mass deportation, and outlines the requirements of paying a penalty for breaking the law, back taxes, and learning English for those who have been here for a number of years who want to stay.

He didn't mention deporting illegals who are newly arrived, or felons. Nor did he mention why any illegal immigrant in their right mind would volunteer to pay thousands of dollars — or how he's going to convince the ACLU, and our school systems that English is a beautiful thing, having just as much validity as minority languages.

5) Honor the great tradition of the American "melting" pot.

Well, that's true. Every single American citizen is descended from immigrants — even the Native Americans crossed the Bering Straits a few thousand years ago. But, the past 20-30 years, we have not acted like we expect anyone to actually act like they're American. We have Hispanic Americans … African Americans … Native Americans … Asian Americans … Arab Americans … and so forth. The fingers have become more important than the hand.

At the end of the speech, he mentioned a wounded Marine who'd served in Iraq, and still wasn't a citizen. C'mon — if anyone's willing to bleed and die with our military, their citizenship should be automatic on the day he or she signs up.

Mostly, it seems like the President is turfing the issue back to the Senate, and would be happy to support the whatever Senate pander-ance bill is sent to him.

So, it's still up to us. If we want illegal immigration reform, we need to continue to pressure our Republican Senate Gerbils — oops, I mean Distinguished Senate Majority — and maybe remind them that this is the issue that can, and will, break the Republican party, and send their own sorry selves packing back to whatever state they came from.

In service of our efforts, check out the Immigration Report Card, which grades every US Senator and Representative on their efforts regarding illegal immigration reform. Kay Bailey Hutchison gets a B-, as does John Cornyn. I'd have marked her a little higher, particularly after watching her response to how the Kyl-Cornyn amendment was stifled.

If we want that reform, let's dig in and "git 'er done."

Click to the CoalitionBlog later today for commentary on the President's speech, and for the latest in illegal immigration reform. Some of the group have already posted articles; there's a round-up going on at the AmboyTimes. Laura, over at PursuingHoliness, did some live blogging, and prefaces her post with some astute comments about election day. Valgerd has a passionate, point by point response. ProudAmerican posts the text, and a fiery response. Brian also very cooperatively posts the transcript, and will write about it when he's had a chance to think about it (wise man, I'll be dropping by later).

Republican gerbils need to take close note of ChristiKing's assessment of what she calls 20 minutes of the the biggest bunch of BS she's ever seen: Make no mistake, this is a man that I have viciously defended for the past 5 years. This is a man that had my total loyalty. This is a man that I trusted and believed in and what do I get? What do all Conservative Republicans get in return? …Betrayal ..To all of the liberals I have ever debated, I sincerely apologize. I was wrong. This man is freaking dangerous. This man is willing to sell out our nation.

Also, take a look at the (ever)DiscerningTexan's sober article about the speech. He's encouraging Mr. Bush to walk the walk — or else, we face the real prospect of Speaker Nancy Pelosi spending the next two years on endless partisan "inquiries," and Iran sending Israel (or someplace) into a nuclear halocaust …

**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email the coalition and let Brian know at which level you would like to participate.**

Bush offers sensible(?) path to end immigration squabbling?

Cross posted from DeMediacratic Nation

We must face the reality that millions of illegal immigrants are already here. Some in this country argue that the solution is to deport every illegal immigrant … I disagree – President George W. Bush

As with most politicians or anyone for that matter; mention the impossible task, indicate it is impossible then move on. The president's plan includes: Find the estimated illegal aliens and fine them, make the estimated illegal aliens and make them pay their taxes and finally make the estimated illegal aliens learn English.

The editorial in the Chicago Sun Times discusses the immigration issue as a problem for Republicans, but makes no mention of Democrats. This is perhaps due to the fact the administration and majority have the majority to defend, however, if the president and the majority do not offer something worthwhile, we can expect much less or I should say, much more of the same from the Left.

I'll take the National Guard troops on the border, BUT I guess since the government won't do it the Minutemen should continue with their building. It is a good start, though only a speech thus far.

From the Chicago Sun Times:

Some within the Republican Party, like Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, want to impose criminal penalties on illegals, and see any effort to create a guest-worker program as undeserved amnesty. They want the border sewn up tightly to block the flow not only of Mexicans but also those from Central American countries. Others, such as Arizona Sen. John McCain, see the issue in humane terms, recognizing there must be a kinder way to deal with the 11 million illegals living here. Bush is more of this mind than the anti-immigration radicals.

From the above I don't have to be the brightest bulb on the porch to understand the Sun Times would consider the Coalition "anti-immigration," but with as most media outlets in this debate they are much more "humane" then the likes of us. Open the floodgates and with a magical florish all problems will resolve themselves, especially when Bush is out, the majority changes and a Democrat is in the White House.

It always amazes me how my "betters" know better than me. What would we do without the simplicity of an editorial like that linked.
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Do I Believe Him? Hell No!

Cross posted from CommonSenseAmerica

Do I Believe Him? Hell No!

I just watched 20 minutes of the biggest bunch of BS that I think I’ve ever seen.  The thing that really makes my fur stand on end is that this man can look us straight in the eye and arrogantly try to shove his agenda down our throat by implying that we should be compassionate and accepting of the lawlessness in our nation by rewarding those who have spit on our legal system.

Every last one of his enforcement proposals were dangled before us back in the 1986 amnesty program.  Every last one of them, except for the amnesty, never came to fruition.

That we can be a nation of laws and compassion is impossible if our laws are not upheld, no matter how our President tries to sell it.  If our laws are so insignificant to even our own President that he would allow them to be ignored by anyone, ANYONE, then we are not a nation of laws and compassion but merely a nation of compassion alone.  At that point, we are no longer Compassionate Conservatives but merely bleeding-heart, tree-hugging, give-it-all-away-so-they-don’t-hurt-us liberals.

Make no mistake, this is a man that I have viciously defended for the past 5 years.  This is a man that had my total loyalty. This is a man that I trusted and believed in and what do I get?  What do all Conservative Republicans get in return?


Unadulterated betrayal.

This is how someone must feel when they come home and find their spouse in bed with another lover.  I honestly don’t know how to better express the level of betrayal I feel at this moment.

That a so-called Conservative could have such disregard for our nation and its laws is absolutely appalling.  It is nothing less than treasonous to look law abiding American citizens in the eye and say that no matter how you feel, we will do it my way and I’m siding with foreigners who have broken our laws.  He basically told us that if we don’t see it his way, then we are not being wise or realistic.

I have defended this man against liberals that have called him arrogant and a cowboy and dangerous.  Never again.

To all of the liberals I have ever debated, I sincerely apologize.  I was wrong.  This man is freaking dangerous.  This man is willing to sell out our nation.

**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email the coalition and let me know at what level you would like to participate.**

Analysis of the President’s Speech on Illegal immigration

Cross posted from The Uncooperative Blogger

There is allot of people writing about the President’s speech on illegal immigration last night. I would like to take a non emotional look at his speech based on a pro and con approach.


He admits how it is “stretching” the local economies resources thin. A bit of an understatement, but the admission is good.

Enforce our laws, no more catch and release.

Secure the Borders by using a fence or Barrier along with technology and increased Border Patrol agents.

Sending 6,000 Guardsmen to the Border. Not enough in my opinion, but ok.

Federally funding and training of local Law Enforcement, although no mention on what to do about “Sanctuary” cities.

Perform Criminal Background Checks.

Hold employers accountable and give them a way to make sure they are hiring legal employees. Basically so they cannot say, I didn’t know they had Social Security cards or TIN numbers.

He spoke about the Meting Pot, and immigrants must assimilate into our culture.

Immigrants must learn to speak English, although no mention of making it our official language.


Calling those who have come here illegally responsible? Sorry, coming here against the law, risking your families lives, is irresponsible.

We are a nation of immigrants. Yes we are, but come here legally or get out.

6000 Guardsmen is not nearly enough, and they will be in a “supporting” role. To free up the BP from doing non enforcement tasks. This is an insult to the Guard, and to us, to put them in a administrative role.

He says we should not, and will not, Militarize the border. Why not? How else do you secure borders exactly. Especially when there are reports of the Mexican Army coming across the border. I was able to verify at least one such claim where they actually arrested our citizens on our soil. If one is true, it is likely the others are as well. But let us say that it was drug traffickers in Mexican uniforms, with military vehicles and weapons. The Border Patrol is not equipped to deal with them, and are actually told to stand down when encountering them.

Ya know, I just heard a National Guard member say, they are not happy about not being used to physically guard the border. He said it best: what part of Guard don’t you understand? We seem to have a problem understanding English in this country. What part of ILLEGAL don’t you understand?

Mexico is our friend…Really? Well, with friends like this we don’t need any enemies. The Mexican government assists their citizens to come to this country and once here help them further by supplying Matricular ID Cards, Bank accounts, mortgages and legal representation used against our citizens who dare to try and stop them from coming here illegally. They also siphon off an additional 20 billion a year from our economy; some friends.

Earned citizenship, a path to citizenship, or Amnesty, whatever you want to call it, rewards people here who have broken our laws with the greatest gift we have to offer; citizenship. There is already a path to “earned citizenship,” it starts outside of our borders. It is earned by filing paperwork, paying fees and waiting. His concept, and the Senate plan, would allow those here illegally to stay while waiting for citizenship. They get exactly what they want, to stay here indefinitely while waiting for citizenship; win-win. Not only that, but the plan in the Senate would allow them to bring their EXTENDED family here, up to their parents. Do the math, how many family members you think they have? What will this do? We are looking at a huge population explosion.

On top of the above he wants a guest worker program, where they can apply for citizenship. Is he just plainly nuts? The current Senate plan which comes from the Presidents concept will bring an estimated 100 million immigrants into this country. He is making the situation worse for Americans, and better for immigrants mostly from south of the border.

They talk about how deportation will cost too much and would be to difficult administratively. How much will it cost to process maybe 100 million immigrants? How will this be easier administratively?

The speech was a nightmare, and worse than I expected.

I at least expected him to put the Guard on the border to GUARD! This is nothing but a way to shut us up and make us think he is doing all he can to secure the border. Well, it hasn’t worked on me.

I knew he wanted a guest worker program, but I thought it was for those already here illegally. He is offering a guest worker program on top of those that are already here illegally. Not only that, they can also apply for citizenship on top of amnesty for those here illegally.

The President is completely wrong on this issue and the people are going to let him know. If what he wants is voted on in Congress, the country is toast. There will be nothing we can do to fix the damage, nothing. So, we better keep fighting to stop it dead in its tracks. We will remember in November, but it will not fix the damage.

Look Mr. President, it is simple:

  • Secure the border by any means necessary. This includes the Military.
  • Stiff penalties for employers, which are actually enforced.
  • No taxpayer funded programs for illegals or their families. (including school for children of illegals and non-emergency medical care for any illegal)
  • No “Anchor Babies” (no automatic citizenship for children of illegals born in the US)
  • No path to Citizenship in any name or form for those here illegally.
  • No Guest worker program until the above measures are put in place and the need can be PROVEN
  • English only education and the official language of the USA

No need to round up people and deport them, they will just leave.

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